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2 years ago #1
PetiteCherie
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I was wondering if there are anyone out here that might be able to help me.....

I have sculpted a doll in a Polymer Clay (Sculpey Living Doll) and I would like to pour it in Dragon Skin Silicone. Here she is.....









I have no idea how to start this process and need help with the following:

1. Can I make the mold out of the same silicone? Or is there something else I can use?

2. Will the silicone have an adverse reaction with this type of clay Ive used?

3. Will this mold be sufficient to pour more than one of this doll?

4. Do I need some or other mold on the outside of the silicone mold to support it to ensure it does not disfigure my silicone doll?

5. I am concerned about air bubbles in the silicone. Is there any way to eliminate this without an extraction chamber?

6. Is their a way to have a seamless mold?

7. What about fingers etc... Will they get stuck in the mold and I cannot remove the casting?

I really hope you can help as I really want to do this

Thanks
Suzette

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2 years ago #2
mickpearson
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HI.some silicon rubbers do not need a vacuum chamber so you don't have to worry about that i'm not an expert on the doll side of things. but this subject has been dealt with on this site before if you have a look on this site you will find people doing the same as yourself and there is some good advice given. and that baby you made is amazing so life like wow.

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2 years ago #3
darilatkins
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Whereas I agree with Mick that some silicone rubbers do not need deairation, it would really depend on viscosity. However, you do not want the trapped air in minute bubbles bursting open in your finished piece. So in the absence of a deairator, your best bet would be to brush on your first layer.
Sure you can make the mold from silicone polymer too. You could consult the suppliers as to which silicone would suit your purpose.

If you plan to do this regularly, then it may be a good idea to invest in an apparatus that mixes and deairates at the same time. Else try to get hold of used dental equipment and lay your hands on a ***** which is a vibrating platform that forces the trapped air to the surface where you can remove them.

It seems that Sculpey is a sulphur free clay and so you could create a silicone polymer mold over your sculpey model.

This mold should be able to allow you to cast quite a number of replicas.

Whether you need a mother mold (firm exterior casing) depends on the thickness of you actual silicone mold. For example if you cast a box mold, it would be thick enough. However to save on cost you may lay up a quarter inch thickness and then you will need a casing for the mold to retain its shape.

Yes you could have a seamless mold if you use high elongation material. This kind of mold is called a glove mold.

Seeing that you plan to use Dragon skin which has a high elongation, the fingers are not likely to break. However you must go with trial and error on the need for separators or release agents.

By the way, Suzette, thanks for your compliments. The truth being that am in hibernation and have made way for Mick. You're doing a great job Mick!

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2 years ago #4
PetiteCherie
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mickpearson wrote:
HI.some silicon rubbers do not need a vacuum chamber so you don't have to worry about that i'm not an expert on the doll side of things. but this subject has been dealt with on this site before if you have a look on this site you will find people doing the same as yourself and there is some good advice given. and that baby you made is amazing so life like wow.


Thank you very much for your help Mick
I have researched quite a bit on the subject of silicone doll making and it seems the silicone of choice with collectors are the dragon silicone and this is why I would like to use this product.
I had a look at other posts here on this subject, but none of them have looked at this type of silicone.
I will have to finish sculpting her feet and will then be ready to try to mold her :o)
Thank you very much for your compliment on my baby I am hoping to get better with each one I sculpt lol
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2 years ago #5
PetiteCherie
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darilatkins wrote:
Whereas I agree with Mick that some silicone rubbers do not need deairation, it would really depend on viscosity. However, you do not want the trapped air in minute bubbles bursting open in your finished piece. So in the absence of a deairator, your best bet would be to brush on your first layer.
Sure you can make the mold from silicone polymer too. You could consult the suppliers as to which silicone would suit your purpose.

If you plan to do this regularly, then it may be a good idea to invest in an apparatus that mixes and deairates at the same time. Else try to get hold of used dental equipment and lay your hands on a ***** which is a vibrating platform that forces the trapped air to the surface where you can remove them.

It seems that Sculpey is a sulphur free clay and so you could create a silicone polymer mold over your sculpey model.

This mold should be able to allow you to cast quite a number of replicas.

Whether you need a mother mold (firm exterior casing) depends on the thickness of you actual silicone mold. For example if you cast a box mold, it would be thick enough. However to save on cost you may lay up a quarter inch thickness and then you will need a casing for the mold to retain its shape.

Yes you could have a seamless mold if you use high elongation material. This kind of mold is called a glove mold.

Seeing that you plan to use Dragon skin which has a high elongation, the fingers are not likely to break. However you must go with trial and error on the need for separators or release agents.

By the way, Suzette, thanks for your compliments. The truth being that am in hibernation and have made way for Mick. You're doing a great job Mick!


Thank you so much for your input Daril
So I have been looking all over the web and I think I will use a release agent called Ease Release 200 from Smooth-On on the actual clay sculpt.

I was then thinking of using dragon silicone or some other suggested silicone to brush over the clay to start forming my mold. Maybe up to 3 or 4 layers....

Then I think I should do a plaster of paris mother mold to support my "glove"

I will see what I can do about the air bubbles... Maybe paint of my first few layers of dragon silicone before filling it will the rest of the silicone.
Do you guys think this would work?

As for the painting of the finished doll, I will experiment with Psycho Paint and Silc Pig, but I still need to look into a product that will eliminate the shine.

I will keep you all posted on my progress with my baby lol

Thank you very much for all your help
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2 years ago #6
PetiteCherie
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I also forgot to ask....
Could I do a once off mold with Alginate?
I looked at online videos of casting human parts like the arm in this product and it looks like this product does a great mold.
Would this work or will it be difficult to remove the actual clay sculpt from the mold with Alginate?

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2 years ago #7
mickpearson
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HI.im glad that darilatkins spoke to you he knows what he is talking about he was involved in prosthetics many moons ago.so its nice to hear from him i know heal be watching hes the man. i agree that a dentists small table there not to expensive on ebay. i want to buy one to. dentists use them for casting plaster teeth in algae impressions.used for extrusion. of air bubbles.

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2 years ago #8
mickpearson
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HI DARIL.you mentioned viscosity would silicon thinners make the silicon weaker. if not would it not help to eliminate the bubbles? i only ask this one question.of you as i would not want to disturb your hibernation.but would like to say it was nice to hear from you.

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2 years ago #9
mickpearson
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HI DARIL.i never said thank you to you yet i only made reference to you with other people.so i would like to say thank you and i hope your keeping well.

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2 years ago #10
PetiteCherie
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I looked at the vibrating tables on Ebay and they seem to be very expensive. I think it would be cheaper to invest in a vacuum chamber.
I also found this online this morning and it looks promising... Thought I would post it for any person who might be interested in making their own chamber

http://www.housatonicrr.com/VacChamber.htm

I actually forgot that my best friend's husband works for a company that manufactures rubber for the food and other industries, and I am positive that he might know what I need.
I also know her cousin is in orthopedics and works for a company that produces prostetics. I dont know why I did not think of this before. He should know what exactly I need to have and do, to cast silicone.
She promised to call him and find out. Maybe I will get him to help me make the mold Whoooo Hooooo
I am very excited about this project and I will def keep you up to date on it and show some pics when Im done.


Mick, I did read up on silicone thinners and I do think they make the silicone a bit weaker. I have considered this option.

Im still wondering of an alginate mold could work as a once off mold, or would it be too difficult to release my pieces from this type of mold... any thoughts on this?

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2 years ago #11
mickpearson
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HI PETITE CHERIE.vibrating tables if it was the industrial type you where looking at are expensive. i own one as i use it for the making of garden ornaments. but did you ask for the small dentist type. you have to state this that it is the dentist type.there not to expensive.in the uk where i come from.if you have no luck ill look some sites up or find them on ebay for you.just in case.i have also used algae on my grand children.and made casts in plaster of there hands.it has a slow cure version or the fast cure that i bought. and that set in two minuets. so i had to be fast in mixing and placing my grand children's hands in the wet materiel.i think some people have made plaster moulds for producing babies like yours but don't quote me on it as you know i dont have a scoobydoo.on this subject. i know you can make silicon moulds and spray it with release agents and cast more silicon inside a silicon mould. if this helps.i would love to see your babies lol.when you produce them.

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2 years ago #12
PetiteCherie
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Thanks for the help Mick
I will google that, but I think I might just get my friend's hubby to help me build my own vacuum chamber

I will take some pics to show you all Whoop Whoop

I just love making babies lol

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2 years ago #13
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ALL THE BEST.
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2 years ago #14
Trish
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Hello,
I'm new to this but I was wondering If you could tell me what supplies I need to make a silicone baby. I have ordered the platnium silicone 1 gal and the silk pig paints. I'm lost on the rest off supplies I heard to get dragon skin and A- 244 silicone fluid.. I'm planning on poring into a mold. I have made the bountiful babies and there great I just want to make a silicone doll. If anyone could help me before I buy things I don't need I would be so grateful. Thank you so much for your time,
Trish.

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2 years ago #15
mickpearson
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HI TRISH.look above your post on this page and start from link one petitecherie. and look at her beautiful work of art.and see what is said to her from darl and myself.

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2 years ago #16
Trish
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Hello,
My one question is Psycho Paint® Platinum Silicone Paint Base used also with your platnium silicone or is it just the same thing? I'm ordering from smooth on and I looked at the babies that are listed on there and it showed what she used I'm just trying to figure out if that product is needed also. And what is used to seal it once I'm done. I'm probably spending a lot off money to make a disaster. I will keep reading up before I try and start this. Thank you so much,
Trish.

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2 years ago #17
mickpearson
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HI TRISH.smoothon.will keep you right they do tutorials and give you good advice on the phone.but also have a look on this site at some of the pages on the subject of casting baby's and you'l get some ideas.i don't make baby's but i cast ornaments and make moulds.or molds im from the uk.

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2 years ago #18
LeBeauBebe
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http://www.doll-fan.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=276387
This was an eye-opener reilicone products.
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1 year ago #19
SimonHu
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We have heard lots of stories of some legends of the ancient knights, in which dragons played an important role as a symbol of evil. The result of all those legends ended up with the success of knights or heroes and the death or failure of the dragon. Whereas, is a dragon the symbol of evil?

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11 months ago #20
LindaB
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Will you post the pictures again of your doll that you sculpted? These on here won't show. I really want to see it.

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11 months ago #21
LindaB
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I want to see your baby. I cannot open the pictures you posted. Any suggestions? Thanks!

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11 months ago #22
LindaB
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One way to get rid of the air bubbles, is to pour a little at a time. Turn the mold all around to coat the inside of the mold, to get every nook and cranny. Then tap it on a surface and keep tapping for a while. Then pour some more in and tap tap tap. Keep going until the mold is completely full. If there is a seam that shows, just sand it off with a very light sandpaper. I don't want to use that silicone liquid (forgot what it is called) when I mix my silicone for baby. I think it isnt as durable with that in there and the baby is too wobbley. Don't want babys fingers or toes coming off from over handling her. lol.

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11 months ago #23
PetiteCherie
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Linda
I will post the baby I had in mind to have in sili but she was sold to 2 companies, Irresistables and MacPhersons, and they will be doing her in vinyl as a joint effort.
I have sculpted another since then, but here is the first one
(I will post some pics of the second one after this)









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11 months ago #24
LindaB
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She is adorable. Thanks for sharing. I hope to someday post my first baby for you, also.

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11 months ago #25
PetiteCherie
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Awww Thanks so much Linda
I cant wait to see it

Here are some pics of some parts of my second sculpt. This was suppose to be my sili, but this one seems to be sold to Dolldreams for a kit lol..... Hope the third will be a sili lol













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11 months ago #26
Talia
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Petite Cherie, Your sculpt is just amazing111 Did you do a full-body or head and limbs with a doe-skin shin boy. I'm working on a ball neck joint and a way to secure the rooted hair using silicone.

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11 months ago #27
LindaB
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These are so good. I am so proud of you!

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11 months ago #28
LindaB
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Is he vinyl or silicone?

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11 months ago #29
mickpearson
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and i would like to say its nice to see you again. cherie regards. mick

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11 months ago #30
jade
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It is amazing!

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